MYTHICAL AND COSMOLOGICAL CONFUSIONS
If searching for information of a deity, one is very often presented for
inconsistent interpretations and very often with the same theme
inconsistency all over the place. It seems that many scholars work after a
consensus scheme that seriously lack logics when analyzed deeply. All kind
of deity and celestial objects and symbols are mixed up and can be found
because many scholarly interpreters doesn't have the overall mythological
and cosmological view and knowledge.
instants, one of the founders of “Comparative Mythology”, Friedrich Max
Muller, (1823 – 1900), Professor of Comparative Philology -
-foremost compared myths via their linguistic similarities and he
led a school of thought which interpreted nearly all
myths as poetic descriptions of the sun's behaviour. According to this his
theory, these poetic descriptions had become distorted over time into
seemingly diverse stories about gods and heroes
and necessarily not by their mythological and cosmological meanings.
fact was/is his theories themselves distorted by not having a broader and
universal approach to the myths and the cosmological meanings. Unfortunately
his fundamental comparative mythology ideas of the Sun as the main deity run
trough many later scholars’ works and have made a school of reduced
mythological understanding which confused and inconsistent heritage still
today hinder a genuine mythical understanding. The Sun is of course very
important – but it is still a minor deity compared to deities connected to
the Creation Stories. Read more here of different (also inconsistent methods
by themselves) interpretation approaches to comparative mythology: Link:
Listen to this video by John K. Lundwall - The Mythic
Imagination: Discussions on Myth and Cosmology
The Velikovski confusion
When Velikovski made his "Worlds in Collision" he FIRST studied the myths
(i.e. the myths of creation) and THEN he superimposed these mythical
tellings, for instants “Venus being born out of Jupiter´s forehead”, onto
the planets because these much later than the ancient creation myths were
given some of the same names as in the creation myths.
In this way, the ancient myths of creation were interpreted to count for
planets only and not in their right context. With such interpretation of
myths, outright replacing celestial creation myths to the different
formation theories of planets, these authors of course also have to distort
their citing of text and cherry picking words and sentences out of context.
Quote from -
“The names for the planets in the Western world are derived from the naming
practices of the Romans, which ultimately derive from those of the Greeks
and the Babylonians.
In ancient Greece, the two great luminaries the Sun and the Moon were called
Helios and Selene; the farthest planet (Saturn) was called Phainon, the
shiner; followed by Phaethon (Jupiter), "bright"; the red planet (Mars) was
known as Pyroeis, the "fiery"; the brightest (Venus) was known as Phosphoros,
the light bringer; and the fleeting final planet (Mercury) was called
Stilbon, the gleamer”.
Here, the planets are named after their natural appearances and not after
any prime gendered deity from the Stories of Creation as with Velikovski and
his followers. To replace the ancient deities of creation for the planets is
of course pure nonsense, which distorts both the myths and the logical
If Velikovski and his followers have read this Greek natural description of
the planets, they never would have written any of their books at all, and
even if they had analyzed the mythical texts of creation thoroughly, plain
logics should have hindered them from writing their books in the first
Example of lost mythical connection and interpretive inconsistency
want to analyse the Norse mythological word of “Jord” as in Moder Jord
(Mother Earth) the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jord
say: “Jörð is the common word for
Old Norse, as are the word's descendants in the modern Scandinavian
languages; Icelandic jörð, Faroese jørð, Danish, Swedish and
Norwegian jord. In Norse mythology, Jörð (Icelandic "earth" sometimes
Anglicized as Jord or Jorth) and also called Jarð jɑrð
as in Old East Norse, is a female
AD: So what is this female “jötunn”? (Notice the word jord/Jord/earth/Earth
is described both in capital and small letters. Are we talking of “soil” or
“A jötunn often glossed as
giant) is a being in
Norse mythology, a member of a race of nature spirits with superhuman
strength. Their otherworldly homeland is
Jötunheimr, one of the nine worlds of Norse
cosmology, separated from Midgard, the world of humans, by high mountains or
AD: And where is the “homelands of these giant jötunns” located?
“Jötunheimr (or Jǫtunheimr; often anglicized
Jotunheim) is one of the
Nine Worlds and the homeland (heim 'home') of the Giants of Norse
Mythology — Rock Giants and Frost Giants”.
AD: The 9 Worlds in Norse Mythology are parts of 3 prime Worlds, namely
Midgard; Asgard and Udgard which each are divided in 3 parts. Humans live in
Midgard, in the middle of the worlds on the Earth. Asgard contents the Sun;
the Moon, the 5 Planets and the stars and star constellations. In Udgard
“lives” the Norse Jaetter; the Giants where the largest figures observable
on the night sky can be seen as the Milky Way contours, which are directly
connected to the stories of creation.
So: Udgard is located on the night sky as the white Milky Way band which
whole contours surrounds the Earth as the Midgard Serpent.
“In Norse mythology, Þrymr (Thrymr,
"uproar") was king of the jotnar. His kingdom was called Jötunheimr, but
Hversu Noregr byggdist, it was the Swedish
province Värmland, then a part of Norway”.
AD: Here we have a typical scholarly example of a celestial myth that is
completely forgotten and “grounded in the firm landscape” and has become a
mere “geo-myth”. The Milky Way mythy-cosmologcal meaning is forgotten and
the contours gives name to a geographical location and the mythical story
and its celestial connection and meaning is broken.
The researched word of “Jord” refers to a giant female
jötunn in Udgard, the location of the giant Milky
Way figures that is connected to the Story of Creation. The “female jötunn”
refers therefore to the formation of the first land, i.e. the Primeval Mound
in the centre of our galaxy, initially created by an explosion of light that
sets the 4 basically elements in motion. The mythically word “Jord” means
therefore “soil” and not the planet Earth.
The “female jötunn” is a cosmic female principle connected to the giant
Milky Way figure on the southern hemisphere that forms the physical elements
into all kind of shapes and forms in the very centre of the Milky Way
galaxy. As such “she” has physically formed everything in our galaxy,
including everything in our Solar System.
With this conclusion, the mythical the meaning of the mytheme of “Jord =
Soil” is again reconnected to the right celestial objects and it all gives
perfectly meaning and logics.
ON THE VELIKOVSKY CONFUSION
David Talbott, administrator and owner of the
ThunderboltsProject Forum and author of "The Saturn
Myth", is interviewed in this Youtube video - "The
Electric Universe, The Saturn/Sun Swap" -
David Talbott is inspired by Immanuel Velikovsky and his
book, "Worlds in Collision".
DT specifically speaks of the “huge electric forces which
creates jets from the Milky Way center”.
then should think that this central force of electric light
of creation of the Milky Way represents one of the prime
archetypes in the numerous cultural Stories of Creation –
and it really does so, but DT interpret this archetype to
represent planet Saturn, the “sun” because he excludes and
ignores the overall starry and Milky Way archetypes in his
The origin of the similar global mythical theme is very easy
to understand: We all live on the same planet Earth, in the
same Solar System, in the same Milky Way galaxy and in the
same local part of the observable Universe.
story of this entire scenario is embedded in all ancient
myths as the Stories of Creation. -
Anthony Peratt and plasma petroglyph figures: Just a handful
cherry picked plasma figures compared to hundreds of
thousands of petroglyphs which never can be produced in
plasma laboratory. –
DT mentions “the shutting down of Anthony Peratt” –
just like DT is shutting down constructive critique from his
forum members by banning them from his forum.
members with genuine mythical expertise were shut down in
one week (May 8, to 12) where the profiles of “Norman” and
“Grey Cloud” were “permanently banned” when participating in
this Forum Topic -
the Sumerian god, Shamash wasn´t the
planet Saturn but the prime Roman Pantheon Milky Way deity,
– Illustrated here -
“Nobody disputes this”.
Well I certainly do! And I´ve been permanently banned for
doing so in my ThunderboltsProject Forum topic here -
David “can´t find the Moon in the ancient Sky”.
“The celestial crescent is noticed in the myths,
but it is not the Moon”. Here DT assumes this crescent is
connected to Saturn, disk.
DT: The history of “the great spectacular crescent figure in
the sky” was historically ascribed to the Moon which caused
a huge confusion.
agree in this. Because this spectacular crescent is in fact
the grey/white crescent contours of the Milky Way which is
observable except from the lighter period of the seasons.
This structure is seemingly revolving around the Earth
celestial axis, which of course isn´t the case with the
planets and it never has. - The Milky Way Crescent here -
This Milky Way figure resembles the prime male god in
the Sky, in the Roman Pantheon Mythology called Saturnus -
- The names from the Roman Pantheon (Milky Way realms) were
given to planets when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity
and had to abandon their ancient pantheon of male and female
deities. This fooled Immanuel Velikovsky and all his later
followers, David Talbott included, to believe in all kinds
of catastrophic planetary events, which is pure science
fiction based on misinterpreted myths. Besides this:
Connecting ancient archetypes of creation to planets is
exactly what they do in popular astrology too.
I´m sure David Talbott´s collection of myths is huge
and he is fairly good to intellectually compare the myths of
creation - but he ascribes the correct myths to the wrong
celestial objects and their motions in the Sky - resulting
in his video series "Symbols of an Ancient Sky" and his
"alien polar configuration".
It isn´t the ancient Sky which is alien, but David
Talbott´s mythical interpretation which is alienated by his
narrow focus on planets only.
himself alienates the ancient Myths of Creation by reducing
these to count for planets where they mostly regards the
Milky Way contours, star constellations and yes, also the
planets which just were called "wandering stars" which of
course don´t revolve around the Earth celestial pole axis.
DT: “It is important in these days of revolutions in science
that we put a premium at openness and eagerness to be
jah? Does this high standards fit with banning members with
a second opinion on the TBP-Forum? Members who tries to post
constructive critique, especially on the mythical
interpretations and understanding in the forum?
David Talbott isn´t himself "open and eger for corrections",
I can tell you that from own experiences with him.
Besides this, the future of the Electric Universe in
the TBP regie will never be bright as long as David Talbott
isn´t open and eager for corrections in the line with the
Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Mytho-Cosmology Website -
Our Home Galaxy:
Myths and Facts -
By Mario Livio
If you go out at night in a rural, unlit area,
especially when the Moon is below the horizon, you cannot
miss that band of hazy light that seems to be arcing across
the sky. Neither did ancient civilizations miss this bright
streak we now call the Milky Way, and they came up with a
variety of imaginative, mythical explanations for it. Most
North American Indians, for instance, regarded the Milky Way
as the pathway that souls follow on their way to the other
world. To many Australian Aboriginals, on the other hand, as
well as to most people of Asia (e.g., in China,
India, Japan, Korea, and north Siberia), the Milky Way was a
river, a silvery, shining, celestial stream (in Sanskrit it
is called “Ganges of the heavens”). On the other side of the
globe, the Peruvian Inca also believed the Milky Way to be a
great, heavenly river, from which the thunder god drew the
water that he poured down as rain.
The phenomenon of different mythologies coming up
with similar stories was not uncommon. In the lore of both
the Finnic people (indigenous populations of Estonia and
Finland) and the Baltic people (of Latvia and Lithuania), as
well as in the Turkic and Tatar languages, the Milky Way is
known as “the birds’ road.” This name apparently reflected
the observation that migratory birds tend to use the Milky
Way as a guide on their way north.
Where then did the name “Milky Way” come from? As
with so many other concepts in the Western tradition, the
first to associate the Milky Way with milk were the ancient
Egyptians. The source of the milk was supposed to be the
divine cow Bat, a deity later combined with the parallel
cow-goddess Hathor. But the actual name “Milky Way” (in
Greek, “Galaxias“) was derived from Greek mythology
(“milk” in Greek is “gala“). According to legend,
Zeus allowed his infant son Herakles (born to a mortal
woman) to breastfeed on the milk of Zeus’ divine wife Hera,
while the latter was asleep. Upon waking up, Hera tore her
breast from the infant’s lips, and the milk that spurted out
formed the Milky Way (the event is beautifully depicted in
Tintoretto’s painting “The Origin of the Milky Way,” Fig.
1). A similar story appears in Roman mythology,
involving the goddess Opis’ attempt to salvage her newborn
son Jupiter from being swallowed by her husband Saturn. Even
the Buryats of Siberia share somewhat similar legends.
The first to suggest (in the fifth century
B.C.E.) that the Milky Way might consist of very distant
stars were the Greek philosophers Anaxagoras and Democritus.
While Aristotle was of a different opinion, Democritus’
views were supported by observations in the sixth century by
Olympiodorus the Younger, and later by a number of Arab and
Persian astronomers (including al-Biruni, al-Jawziyya, and
Several confusions of Mythical Symbols
If taking the Stories of Creation for granted, our ancestor’s view of the
universe was somewhat limited to the knowledge of our Milky Way galaxy. That
is: They also knew of the 4 basically elements which floats in the Primordial
Waters in the vast abyss in space because many cultures describe these
elements as “Primeval Deities” that creates everything in the Universe.
In the following, I'll explain several prime mythical symbols, beginning
with the telling of creation and how these symbols are misunderstood and
confused because of lack of mytho-cosmological knowledge; how myths and
symbols are disconnected because the scholars’ doesn't take the myths
cosmologically seriously and/or because the scholars ignore the Milky Way
myths which are directly connected to the Stories of Creation.
The 4 Elements in the Mythical Cosmic Abyss
The 4 elements are mythological described with Water,
Fire, Air, and Soil. The modern cosmological terms of these are: Hydrogen,
Helium, Oxygen and Particles. Accordingly to modern science, 99.99 % of
cosmos is filled with the gaseous elements and just 00.01 % is filled with
the “metallic” particles. Link:
The Enclosed Milky Way Light
The 4 elements are set in motion of a cosmic explosion (Initial Primeval
Light Deity) that moves the gaseous and particle elements in a cosmic
molecular cloud. (Blow of the Primeval Wind Deity) The gasses and particles
swirls and heats up via the electric ionization from the explosion;
electromagnetic circuits are created which sorts out and melt the particles
together in the swirling magnetic centre. (Volcanic and “earthquake”
When the critical melting point is reached in the centre, a huge light is
created in the pregalactic centre. (The Galactic Central Light) This light
is also called “The Enclosed Light” because of the formation of the galactic
arms that surrounds this central light.
This galactic light deity is scholarly very often mythological
misinterpreted by many scholars as “the Sun deity” - that is not even
created on this stage of creation.
The Primeval Mound
When this very luminous melting point is reached, the
particles form the first firm land, the Primeval Mound from where the first
contours rise in the Milky Way. From and on this Primeval Mound, both “rock”
and “water” deities of creation are created and mythological described,
giving birth to everything in our galaxy. Link:
The mytheme of “Primeval Mound” in the galactic centre is very often
confused by scholars to be of real mountains on the Earth.
The Tree of Eden
The creative formation in our Milky Way galaxy centre gives form and life to
everything and this formation and cycle of life is mythological symbolized
as a huge Tree standing in the middle of the creation garden i.e. in the
Milky Way centre from where everything is formed and “expulsed” out in the
surrounding of the galaxy centre. (The Expulsion from the Garden of Eden)
The Great Goddess
Some creation myths have a male being and some have a female being (both
human- and animal-like beings) as the first creation in the Milky Way
centre. Somehow it is most logical to have a female deity as the first one
to be created because of the physical formation that takes place in the
Milky Way centre.
The Milky Way centre is located in the star constellation of Sagittarius
observable on the Earth southern hemisphere. The southern hemisphere Milky
Way contours can easily be depicted as a woman with the Milky Way centre
located on the female figures location of the womb. (The Cosmic Womb) From
this centre, the female figure is giving birth to everything in the galaxy,
including herself. (The
often the mytheme of the great Milky Way Goddess is scholarly interpreted as
“Mother Earth” because of the confusion between the elementary “soil” and
planet Earth. Link:
this and other very severe confusions appears all over the place.
The Great God
The telling of a Virgin giving birth to a heavenly son
refers to the Milky Way Mother who, without having a physical meeting with a
male, gives birth to what become the contours of the Earth northern
hemisphere Milky Way male-like contours. This northern half Milky Way
contour also represents the husband of the Milky Way Mother Goddess and
together they represent the first Milky Way creator deities, whether these
Milky Way contours are described as human- or animal-like beings – or both.
These figures also represent the 2 first human beings, in the Bible called
Adam and Eve. Link:
The fully Milky Way band that surrounds the Earth, represents the Great
Serpent; The Winged Serpent or Dragon; the Midgard Serpent in the Norse
Mythology and the Ouroboros Symbol. Symbols with serpents and snakes are
directly connected to the Milky Way matters, especially because of the full
Milky Way serpent band around the Earth.
The Expulsion from Eden
This telling is not about Adam and Eve making any sinful act at all. It just
and only deals with a telling of the creative movement in our galaxy where
everything is created in the centre of the galaxy and fairly gently is slung
out (“expulsed out”) in the galactic surroundings – quite opposite of the
modern perception of the galactic formation and explanation that is wrong
and scientifically contradicted via the “galactic orbiting anomaly”.
Of course the Moon can provide symbols of crescent shapes, but so can indeed
the 2 hemisphere Milky Way vaulting figures if imaging these as 2 separate
figures located on both hemispheres.
Very often these Milky Way deities are scholarly interpreted and connected
to be lunar deities, which of course is very illogical, connecting the
supreme creator qualities to the inferior qualities of the Moon that even
isn´t created in this stage of the creation story.
These crescent symbols often depict stylized mythical ships of the supreme Milky
Way deities that revolve around the Earth celestial poles, often confused as a
"solar bark". See below.
The Celestial Poles
When imaging the 2 Milky Way hemisphere figures seemingly revolving in the
night sky together with the circumpolar stars and constellations, these
figures are revolving around the Earth's polar rotation prolonged axis. This
configuration marks the Celestial Pole where the northern Milky Way male
deity and the southern Milky Way female revolve around these polar centres.
These 2 polar configurations are also very often
confused by scholars to be a solar symbol of a ring with 4 spokes as for
instants in the very strange and confused theory of the “Saturn Myth”, of
David Talbott. Link: http://www.saturn-myth-delusion.net/
In many cultures the Milky Way is mythological described as the Heavenly
River which is seemingly running around the Earth. When scholars know
nothing of the Milky Way Mythology, they easily confuse this myth as being a
concrete and historic flood that once over flooded the Earth, whereas the
real meaning of course is “floating over the Earth, in the heaven”.
Norse mythology, Þrymr (Thrymr, Thrym; "uproar") was king of
the jotnar. His kingdom was called Jötunheimr, but according to Hversu
Noregr byggdist, it was the Swedish province Värmland, then a part of
Norway. (Read the full explanation in the beginning paragraph of “Example
of lost mythical connection and interpretive inconsistency”).
myths are scholarly misunderstood because of this geographical and
historical approach to mythical interpretation. When mentioned this sad
affaire, I´m fully aware that many cultures also marked the celestial
objects and their movements via several marking systems on the ground and in
the surrounding landscape.