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If searching for information of a deity, one is very often presented for inconsistent interpretations and very often with the same theme inconsistency all over the place. It seems that many scholars work after a consensus scheme that seriously lack logics when analyzed deeply. All kind of deity and celestial objects and symbols are mixed up and can be found because many scholarly interpreters doesn't have the overall mythological and cosmological view and knowledge.

For instants, one of the founders of “Comparative Mythology”, Friedrich Max Muller, (1823 – 1900), Professor of Comparative Philology - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_M%C3%BCller -foremost compared myths via their linguistic similarities and he led a school of thought which interpreted nearly all myths as poetic descriptions of the sun's behaviour. According to this his theory, these poetic descriptions had become distorted over time into seemingly diverse stories about gods and heroes and necessarily not by their mythological and cosmological meanings.

In fact was/is his theories themselves distorted by not having a broader and universal approach to the myths and the cosmological meanings. Unfortunately his fundamental comparative mythology ideas of the Sun as the main deity run trough many later scholars’ works and have made a school of reduced mythological understanding which confused and inconsistent heritage still today hinder a genuine mythical understanding. The Sun is of course very important – but it is still a minor deity compared to deities connected to the Creation Stories. Read more here of different (also inconsistent methods by themselves) interpretation approaches to comparative mythology: Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_Mythology

Listen to this video by John K. Lundwall - The Mythic Imagination: Discussions on Myth and Cosmology - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lVcIi91lnI

The Velikovski confusion

When Velikovski made his "Worlds in Collision" he FIRST studied the myths (i.e. the myths of creation) and THEN he superimposed these mythical tellings, for instants “Venus being born out of Jupiter´s forehead”, onto the planets because these much later than the ancient creation myths were given some of the same names as in the creation myths.

In this way, the ancient myths of creation were interpreted to count for planets only and not in their right context. With such interpretation of myths, outright replacing celestial creation myths to the different formation theories of planets, these authors of course also have to distort their citing of text and cherry picking words and sentences out of context.

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“The names for the planets in the Western world are derived from the naming practices of the Romans, which ultimately derive from those of the Greeks and the Babylonians.
In ancient Greece, the two great luminaries the Sun and the Moon were called Helios and Selene; the farthest planet (Saturn) was called Phainon, the shiner; followed by Phaethon (Jupiter), "bright"; the red planet (Mars) was known as Pyroeis, the "fiery"; the brightest (Venus) was known as Phosphoros, the light bringer; and the fleeting final planet (Mercury) was called Stilbon, the gleamer”.
Here, the planets are named after their natural appearances and not after any prime gendered deity from the Stories of Creation as with Velikovski and his followers. To replace the ancient deities of creation for the planets is of course pure nonsense, which distorts both the myths and the logical astronomy.

If Velikovski and his followers have read this Greek natural description of the planets, they never would have written any of their books at all, and even if they had analyzed the mythical texts of creation thoroughly, plain logics should have hindered them from writing their books in the first place.

 Example of lost mythical connection and interpretive inconsistency

I want to analyse the Norse mythological word of “Jord” as in Moder Jord (Mother Earth) the  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jord say: “Jörð is the common word for earth in Old Norse, as are the word's descendants in the modern Scandinavian languages; Icelandic jörð, Faroese jørð, Danish, Swedish and Norwegian jord. In Norse mythology, Jörð (Icelandic "earth" sometimes Anglicized as Jord or Jorth) and also called Jarð jɑrð as in Old East Norse, is a female jötunn”.

AD: So what is this female “jötunn”? (Notice the word jord/Jord/earth/Earth is described both in capital and small letters. Are we talking of “soil” or planet Earth?)

“A jötunn often glossed as giant) is a being in Norse mythology, a member of a race of nature spirits with superhuman strength. Their otherworldly homeland is Jötunheimr, one of the nine worlds of Norse cosmology, separated from Midgard, the world of humans, by high mountains or dense forests”.

AD: And where is the “homelands of these giant jötunns” located?

Jötunheimr (or Jǫtunheimr; often anglicized Jotunheim) is one of the Nine Worlds and the homeland (heim 'home') of the Giants of Norse Mythology — Rock Giants and Frost Giants”.

AD: The 9 Worlds in Norse Mythology are parts of 3 prime Worlds, namely Midgard; Asgard and Udgard which each are divided in 3 parts. Humans live in Midgard, in the middle of the worlds on the Earth. Asgard contents the Sun; the Moon, the 5 Planets and the stars and star constellations. In Udgard “lives” the Norse Jaetter; the Giants where the largest figures observable on the night sky can be seen as the Milky Way contours, which are directly connected to the stories of creation.

So: Udgard is located on the night sky as the white Milky Way band which whole contours surrounds the Earth as the Midgard Serpent.

“In Norse mythology, Þrymr (Thrymr, Thrym; "uproar") was king of the jotnar. His kingdom was called Jötunheimr, but according to Hversu Noregr byggdist, it was the Swedish province Värmland, then a part of Norway”.

AD: Here we have a typical scholarly example of a celestial myth that is completely forgotten and “grounded in the firm landscape” and has become a mere “geo-myth”. The Milky Way mythy-cosmologcal meaning is forgotten and the contours gives name to a geographical location and the mythical story and its celestial connection and meaning is broken.


The researched word of “Jord” refers to a giant female jötunn in Udgard, the location of the giant Milky Way figures that is connected to the Story of Creation. The “female jötunn” refers therefore to the formation of the first land, i.e. the Primeval Mound in the centre of our galaxy, initially created by an explosion of light that sets the 4 basically elements in motion. The mythically word “Jord” means therefore “soil” and not the planet Earth.

The “female jötunn” is a cosmic female principle connected to the giant Milky Way figure on the southern hemisphere that forms the physical elements into all kind of shapes and forms in the very centre of the Milky Way galaxy. As such “she” has physically formed everything in our galaxy, including everything in our Solar System.

With this conclusion, the mythical the meaning of the mytheme of “Jord = Soil” is again reconnected to the right celestial objects and it all gives perfectly meaning and logics.


David Talbott, administrator and owner of the ThunderboltsProject Forum and author of "The Saturn Myth", is interviewed in this Youtube video - "The Electric Universe, The Saturn/Sun Swap" -

David Talbott is inspired by Immanuel Velikovsky and his book, "Worlds in Collision".

In timestamp 9:30 DT specifically speaks of the “huge electric forces which creates jets from the Milky Way center”. One then should think that this central force of electric light of creation of the Milky Way represents one of the prime archetypes in the numerous cultural Stories of Creation – and it really does so, but DT interpret this archetype to represent planet Saturn, the “sun” because he excludes and ignores the overall starry and Milky Way archetypes in his hypothesis. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way_(mythology)

33:10 The origin of the similar global mythical theme is very easy to understand: We all live on the same planet Earth, in the same Solar System, in the same Milky Way galaxy and in the same local part of the observable Universe. The story of this entire scenario is embedded in all ancient myths as the Stories of Creation. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creation_myths

35:58 Anthony Peratt and plasma petroglyph figures: Just a handful cherry picked plasma figures compared to hundreds of thousands of petroglyphs which never can be produced in plasma laboratory. – https://www.google.dk/search?q=petroglyphs&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWnJjFj-zTAhUBVywKHVxWDFcQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=591

DT mentions “the shutting down of Anthony Peratt” – just like DT is shutting down constructive critique from his forum members by banning them from his forum. Two members with genuine mythical expertise were shut down in one week (May 8, to 12) where the profiles of “Norman” and “Grey Cloud” were “permanently banned” when participating in this Forum Topic - http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16207

43:48 the Sumerian god, Shamash wasn´t the planet Saturn but the prime Roman Pantheon Milky Way deity, Saturnus - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_(mythology) – Illustrated here - http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.GreatestGod.htm

44:34 “Nobody disputes this”. Well I certainly do! And I´ve been permanently banned for doing so in my ThunderboltsProject Forum topic here - http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16207

49:16 David “can´t find the Moon in the ancient Sky”. “The celestial crescent is noticed in the myths, but it is not the Moon”. Here DT assumes this crescent is connected to Saturn, disk.

49:59 DT: The history of “the great spectacular crescent figure in the sky” was historically ascribed to the Moon which caused a huge confusion.

I agree in this. Because this spectacular crescent is in fact the grey/white crescent contours of the Milky Way which is observable except from the lighter period of the seasons. This structure is seemingly revolving around the Earth celestial axis, which of course isn´t the case with the planets and it never has. - The Milky Way Crescent here - http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.GreatestGod.htm

This Milky Way figure resembles the prime male god in the Sky, in the Roman Pantheon Mythology called Saturnus - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_(mythology) - The names from the Roman Pantheon (Milky Way realms) were given to planets when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity and had to abandon their ancient pantheon of male and female deities. This fooled Immanuel Velikovsky and all his later followers, David Talbott included, to believe in all kinds of catastrophic planetary events, which is pure science fiction based on misinterpreted myths. Besides this: Connecting ancient archetypes of creation to planets is exactly what they do in popular astrology too.

I´m sure David Talbott´s collection of myths is huge and he is fairly good to intellectually compare the myths of creation - but he ascribes the correct myths to the wrong celestial objects and their motions in the Sky - resulting in his video series "Symbols of an Ancient Sky" and his "alien polar configuration".

It isn´t the ancient Sky which is alien, but David Talbott´s mythical interpretation which is alienated by his narrow focus on planets only. He himself alienates the ancient Myths of Creation by reducing these to count for planets where they mostly regards the Milky Way contours, star constellations and yes, also the planets which just were called "wandering stars" which of course don´t revolve around the Earth celestial pole axis.

59:24 DT: “It is important in these days of revolutions in science that we put a premium at openness and eagerness to be corrected”.

Oh, jah? Does this high standards fit with banning members with a second opinion on the TBP-Forum? Members who tries to post constructive critique, especially on the mythical interpretations and understanding in the forum?

David Talbott isn´t himself "open and eger for corrections", I can tell you that from own experiences with him. Besides this, the future of the Electric Universe in the TBP regie will never be bright as long as David Talbott isn´t open and eager for corrections in the line with the contents here.

Best Wishes

Ivar Nielsen

Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist


Mytho-Cosmology Website - http://www.native-science.net/index.html 

Our Home Galaxy: Myths and Facts -


By Mario Livio

If you go out at night in a rural, unlit area, especially when the Moon is below the horizon, you cannot miss that band of hazy light that seems to be arcing across the sky. Neither did ancient civilizations miss this bright streak we now call the Milky Way, and they came up with a variety of imaginative, mythical explanations for it. Most North American Indians, for instance, regarded the Milky Way as the pathway that souls follow on their way to the other world. To many Australian Aboriginals, on the other hand, as well as to most people of Asia (e.g., in China, India, Japan, Korea, and north Siberia), the Milky Way was a river, a silvery, shining, celestial stream (in Sanskrit it is called “Ganges of the heavens”). On the other side of the globe, the Peruvian Inca also believed the Milky Way to be a great, heavenly river, from which the thunder god drew the water that he poured down as rain.

The phenomenon of different mythologies coming up with similar stories was not uncommon. In the lore of both the Finnic people (indigenous populations of Estonia and Finland) and the Baltic people (of Latvia and Lithuania), as well as in the Turkic and Tatar languages, the Milky Way is known as “the birds’ road.” This name apparently reflected the observation that migratory birds tend to use the Milky Way as a guide on their way north.

Where then did the name “Milky Way” come from? As with so many other concepts in the Western tradition, the first to associate the Milky Way with milk were the ancient Egyptians. The source of the milk was supposed to be the divine cow Bat, a deity later combined with the parallel cow-goddess Hathor. But the actual name “Milky Way” (in Greek, “Galaxias“) was derived from Greek mythology (“milk” in Greek is “gala“). According to legend, Zeus allowed his infant son Herakles (born to a mortal woman) to breastfeed on the milk of Zeus’ divine wife Hera, while the latter was asleep. Upon waking up, Hera tore her breast from the infant’s lips, and the milk that spurted out formed the Milky Way (the event is beautifully depicted in Tintoretto’s painting “The Origin of the Milky Way,” Fig. 1). A similar story appears in Roman mythology, involving the goddess Opis’ attempt to salvage her newborn son Jupiter from being swallowed by her husband Saturn. Even the Buryats of Siberia share somewhat similar legends.

The first to suggest (in the fifth century B.C.E.) that the Milky Way might consist of very distant stars were the Greek philosophers Anaxagoras and Democritus. While Aristotle was of a different opinion, Democritus’ views were supported by observations in the sixth century by Olympiodorus the Younger, and later by a number of Arab and Persian astronomers (including al-Biruni, al-Jawziyya, and al-Din al-Tusi).

Several confusions of Mythical Symbols

If taking the Stories of Creation for granted, our ancestor’s view of the universe was somewhat limited to the knowledge of our Milky Way galaxy. That is: They also knew of the 4 basically elements which floats in the Primordial Waters in the vast abyss in space because many cultures describe these elements as “Primeval Deities” that creates everything in the Universe.

In the following, I'll explain several prime mythical symbols, beginning with the telling of creation and how these symbols are misunderstood and confused because of lack of mytho-cosmological knowledge; how myths and symbols are disconnected because the scholars’ doesn't take the myths cosmologically seriously and/or because the scholars ignore the Milky Way myths which are directly connected to the Stories of Creation.

The 4 Elements in the Mythical Cosmic Abyss

The 4 elements are mythological described with Water, Fire, Air, and Soil. The modern cosmological terms of these are: Hydrogen, Helium, Oxygen and Particles. Accordingly to modern science, 99.99 % of cosmos is filled with the gaseous elements and just 00.01 % is filled with the “metallic” particles. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogdoad

The Enclosed Milky Way Light

The 4 elements are set in motion of a cosmic explosion (Initial Primeval Light Deity) that moves the gaseous and particle elements in a cosmic molecular cloud. (Blow of the Primeval Wind Deity) The gasses and particles swirls and heats up via the electric ionization from the explosion; electromagnetic circuits are created which sorts out and melt the particles together in the swirling magnetic centre. (Volcanic and “earthquake” deities)

When the critical melting point is reached in the centre, a huge light is created in the pregalactic centre. (The Galactic Central Light) This light is also called “The Enclosed Light” because of the formation of the galactic arms that surrounds this central light.

This galactic light deity is scholarly very often mythological misinterpreted by many scholars as “the Sun deity” - that is not even created on this stage of creation.

The Primeval Mound

When this very luminous melting point is reached, the particles form the first firm land, the Primeval Mound from where the first contours rise in the Milky Way. From and on this Primeval Mound, both “rock” and “water” deities of creation are created and mythological described, giving birth to everything in our galaxy. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benben

The mytheme of “Primeval Mound” in the galactic centre is very often confused by scholars to be of real mountains on the Earth.

The Tree of Eden

The creative formation in our Milky Way galaxy centre gives form and life to everything and this formation and cycle of life is mythological symbolized as a huge Tree standing in the middle of the creation garden i.e. in the Milky Way centre from where everything is formed and “expulsed” out in the surrounding of the galaxy centre. (The Expulsion from the Garden of Eden)

The Great Goddess

Some creation myths have a male being and some have a female being (both human- and animal-like beings) as the first creation in the Milky Way centre. Somehow it is most logical to have a female deity as the first one to be created because of the physical formation that takes place in the Milky Way centre.

The Milky Way centre is located in the star constellation of Sagittarius observable on the Earth southern hemisphere. The southern hemisphere Milky Way contours can easily be depicted as a woman with the Milky Way centre located on the female figures location of the womb. (The Cosmic Womb) From this centre, the female figure is giving birth to everything in the galaxy, including herself. (The Parthenogenetic Virgin Mother)

Very often the mytheme of the great Milky Way Goddess is scholarly interpreted as “Mother Earth” because of the confusion between the elementary “soil” and planet Earth. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Nature where this and other very severe confusions appears all over the place.

The Great God

The telling of a Virgin giving birth to a heavenly son refers to the Milky Way Mother who, without having a physical meeting with a male, gives birth to what become the contours of the Earth northern hemisphere Milky Way male-like contours. This northern half Milky Way contour also represents the husband of the Milky Way Mother Goddess and together they represent the first Milky Way creator deities, whether these Milky Way contours are described as human- or animal-like beings – or both. These figures also represent the 2 first human beings, in the Bible called Adam and Eve. Link: http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.Mytology.Keys.htm

The Serpent

The fully Milky Way band that surrounds the Earth, represents the Great Serpent; The Winged Serpent or Dragon; the Midgard Serpent in the Norse Mythology and the Ouroboros Symbol. Symbols with serpents and snakes are directly connected to the Milky Way matters, especially because of the full Milky Way serpent band around the Earth.

The Expulsion from Eden

This telling is not about Adam and Eve making any sinful act at all. It just and only deals with a telling of the creative movement in our galaxy where everything is created in the centre of the galaxy and fairly gently is slung out (“expulsed out”) in the galactic surroundings – quite opposite of the modern perception of the galactic formation and explanation that is wrong and scientifically contradicted via the “galactic orbiting anomaly”.

Crescent Symbols

Of course the Moon can provide symbols of crescent shapes, but so can indeed the 2 hemisphere Milky Way vaulting figures if imaging these as 2 separate figures located on both hemispheres.

Very often these Milky Way deities are scholarly interpreted and connected to be lunar deities, which of course is very illogical, connecting the supreme creator qualities to the inferior qualities of the Moon that even isn´t created in this stage of the creation story.

Cresent Ships

These crescent symbols often depict stylized mythical ships of the supreme Milky Way deities that revolve around the Earth celestial poles, often confused as a "solar bark". See below.

The Celestial Poles

When imaging the 2 Milky Way hemisphere figures seemingly revolving in the night sky together with the circumpolar stars and constellations, these figures are revolving around the Earth's polar rotation prolonged axis. This configuration marks the Celestial Pole where the northern Milky Way male deity and the southern Milky Way female revolve around these polar centres.

These 2 polar configurations are also very often confused by scholars to be a solar symbol of a ring with 4 spokes as for instants in the very strange and confused theory of the “Saturn Myth”, of David Talbott. Link:  http://www.saturn-myth-delusion.net/

The Flood

In many cultures the Milky Way is mythological described as the Heavenly River which is seemingly running around the Earth. When scholars know nothing of the Milky Way Mythology, they easily confuse this myth as being a concrete and historic flood that once over flooded the Earth, whereas the real meaning of course is “floating over the Earth, in the heaven”.


In Norse mythology, Þrymr (Thrymr, Thrym; "uproar") was king of the jotnar. His kingdom was called Jötunheimr, but according to Hversu Noregr byggdist, it was the Swedish province Värmland, then a part of Norway.  (Read the full explanation in the beginning paragraph of “Example of lost mythical connection and interpretive inconsistency”).

Many myths are scholarly misunderstood because of this geographical and historical approach to mythical interpretation. When mentioned this sad affaire, I´m fully aware that many cultures also marked the celestial objects and their movements via several marking systems on the ground and in the surrounding landscape.